One of the main, fundamental, key doctrines of the Christian faith is the belief in the Trinity. Simply put, the doctrine of the Trinity states that there is:
One God in three Persons
It is not three Gods in one God – it is one God in three Persons. The Bible specifically states over and over again that there is only one God. This is why you technically cannot say that there are three Gods in one God.
However, as you will see in the Scripture verses I will list below, all three Persons of the Godhead are God and Lord Themselves. God the Father is the first Person of the Trinity, His Son Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity.
So if all Three of Them are really God and Lord Themselves – then why doesn’t God the Father tell us in His Word that we are dealing with three Gods? Why does He keep saying that there is only one God – when in actuality both Himself, His Son Jesus, and His Holy Spirit are all God and Lord Themselves?
There is no question that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three separate complete and individual Persons with their own individual, unique identities. So why does God the Father keep stating that there is only one God in Scripture? This is one of the mysteries of the Trinity that many people have a hard time with.
Here is what I believe may be a possible answer to this question. From Scripture, we know that there are only three classes of beings. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one class in that the Three of Them are all God and Lord Themselves.
As such, all Three of Them are absolutely perfect in Their actual natures and personalities. As you will see in one of the Scripture verses I will list below, the Bible tells us that there is no darkness in God. In other words, He has no dark side, no flesh.
This means that God is totally incapable of doing anything evil or bad. He is totally and completely perfectly good in His actual nature and personality. However, the same thing cannot be said of the other two classes of beings that God has created.
The first class of beings that God has created are the angels. The fact that Satan and one third of the angels managed to rebel against God and get thrown out of heaven – all show that angels have the capacity and the ability to malfunction to the dark side.
If they did not have this ability and capacity, then Satan and one third of the angels would have never rebelled against God the Father in the first place. This one fact alone tells us that angels are not perfect like God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are. They thus cannot be considered gods in any way, shape, or form.
The second class of beings that God has created is the human race. The Bible specifically states that all men and all women have sinned and have fallen way short of the glory of God.
This is why Jesus had to come down to die for all of our sins. The Bible says that all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and makes no exceptions. In other words – all humans are imperfect just like all of the angels are.
This now leads us to one simple conclusion. Since all humans and all angels are imperfect – this now means that no angels and no humans can ever be considered to be gods themselves – no matter how much Satan would still like to believe that, and no matter how many New Age gurus would like to try and tell you otherwise with their false teachings that we are all little gods ourselves.
Now here is why I believe that God the Father has the Trinity set up under the statement of “One God in three Persons.”
Since God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God and Lord Themselves – this means that all Three of Them are totally perfect in Their actual personalities. And if They are totally perfect in Their actual personalities – then this now means They are totally capable of being perfectly one with one another.
As you will see in several of the Scripture verses below – Jesus keeps repeating the statement that He and His Father “are one.” In other words, They are perfectly one with one another, They are in perfect harmony with one another, They are in perfect agreement with one another.
Since the Two of Them are both God and Lord Themselves – this now means this divine union between the Two of them is a perfect divine union. This perfect divine union of oneness between the Two of Them is so perfect, that God the Father can now say that there is only one God – not 3 separate Gods.
The same thing goes for the Holy Spirit. As you will see in a Scripture verse I will list below, this verse also says that the Holy Spirit is perfectly “one” with both God and Jesus.
And since the Bible specifically tells us that the Holy Spirit is God and Lord Himself – then this now means His personal divine union with both God and Jesus is a perfect divine union. As such, He too can be included as being part of the Godhead – where God the Father can now state that there is only one God, but one God in three, separate, perfect Persons within the actual Godhead itself.
Since all angels and all humans are imperfect, this means that we are not capable of establishing any kind of perfect, divine, God-union with either God Himself or with any other human. Only God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have the ability to establish a perfect divine union with either Themselves, with one of us, or one of Their angels.
I believe this “perfect divine oneness,” this “perfect divine union” between God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is so “God-perfect” – that God the Father can now state that there is only one true God – but one God in three separate, unique, and individual Persons.
1. One God in Three Persons
There is one big whopper mammoth verse that you can literally base the entire doctrine of the Trinity on. Here it is:
“For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)
As you will see in a verse I will list below, the Word is Jesus. This verse is now telling us that God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are “one.” This verse is telling us that we are specifically dealing with a God Trinity involving three separate Persons – but with all Three of these Persons being “perfectly one” with one another!
In the 3 captions I will list below, I will give you some of the main verses from Scripture that will specifically tell us that God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all God and Lord Themselves.
And if They are all God and Lord Themselves, and above verse is telling us that They are perfectly one with one another – then the Bible has just given us perfect proof that we are now dealing with a Holy Divine Trinity of one God in three Persons.
It’s like putting together a jigsaw puzzle. Once you have all of the puzzle pieces put together and put right next to one another – it then becomes quite easy to see what God is trying to tell us with some of this deeper revelation!
I believe the above verse is one of the major foundational verses in which to base the entire doctrine of the Trinity on since it is specifically telling us that all three Persons of the Godhead are “perfectly one” with one another.
2. God the Father is God and Lord Himself
In order to complete the above verse, we now have to show that both God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all God and Lord Themselves. In this caption, I will give you 10 major power verses all showing that not only is God the Father God and Lord Himself – but that there are no other gods in the entire scheme of things than can even begin to sit next to Him.
The actual wording in some of these verses are very intense in the way they are stating that there is only one God and that there are no other gods anywhere else that can compete with Him for this title.
Here are 10 extremely strong verses all showing us that God the Father is God and Lord Himself, and that there are no other beings, either human or angelic, that can even begin to compete with Him for this title.
- “… yet for us there is only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” (1 Corinthians 8:6)
- “But the Lord is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King … thus you shall say to them: “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens.” He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, and has stretched out the heavens at His discretion … For He is the maker of all things.” (Jeremiah 10:10-16)
- “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and his redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God … Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” (Isaiah 44: 6,8)
- “To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord Himself is God; there is none other besides Him … that the Lord Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.” (Deuteronomy 4:35-39)
- “Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior … Indeed before the day was, I am He; and there is no one who can deliver out of My hand; I work, and who will reverse it?” (Isaiah 43:10-13)
- “For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure,’ … (Isaiah 46:9)
- “Look to Me, and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.” (Isaiah 45:22)
- “I am the Lord, and there is no other; there is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things … I have made the earth, and created man on it.” (Isaiah 45:5-12)
- “For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the people are idols.” (Psalm 96:4)
- “This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.” (1 John 1:5)
All of the above verses are very profound and powerful verses all showing us, without any other possible interpretation, that there is only one God – God the Father – and that there are no other gods anywhere that can compete or sit beside Him as His equal.
All other false gods being worshiped by all of the other false religions of this earth are nothing more than false idols according to Psalm 96:4 – and they will all eventually be completely taken out from this earth when Jesus comes back to us in His second coming to set up His Millennium Kingdom from the city of Jerusalem.
Also notice in the very last verse where it specifically says that there is no darkness in God – that He is all light and all goodness!
3. Jesus Christ is God and Lord Himself
All of the above verses are definitely establishing that God the Father is God and Lord Himself. Now here are 18 major power verses all showing that Jesus Christ is also God and Lord Himself.
Notice in the very first verse that it says that the Word – which is Jesus – was with God from the very beginning of all things and that He too is God Almighty Himself! The third verse says that a virgin will bring Jesus into our world and that His name shall be called Immanuel – which means that “God is with us.”
- “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” (John 1:1)
- “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)
- “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14)
- “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)
- “… looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ …” (Titus 2:13)
- “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:1)
- “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” (1 John 5:20)
- “… no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:3)
- “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, and that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:9-11)
- Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:27)
- “… Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men.” (Philippians 2:6)
- “For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.” (Colossians 2:9)
- “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.” (John 14:10)
- “I and My Father are one.” (John 10:30)
- “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” (Revelation 22:13)
- “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8)
- “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8)
- Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58)
All of the above verses are definitely telling us, without any other possible interpretation or spin that you can put on them – that Jesus Christ is God and Lord Almighty Himself and that He is truly the second Person of the triune Godhead!
The last verse, where Jesus says before Abraham was, He says “I AM.” The words “I AM” are present tense – which means that Jesus has always been – He was never created or had any type of origination point like all humans and all angels have. Only God can be eternal and that one statement, all by itself, shows that Jesus Christ is eternal just like His Father is. This makes both Him and God the Father co-eternal in the Godhead itself.
The two verses from Revelation 1:8 and 22:13 are stating that Jesus is the First and the Last, just like the one verse above on God the Father. They are both the First and the Last, which makes both of Them God and Lord.
When the apostle Thomas says to Jesus in the above verse – “My Lord and my God” – Jesus does not correct him, but accepts the statement that he is making to Him, once again proving that Jesus Christ is God and Lord Himself.
All of the above verses are major, key, power verses all showing us that Jesus Christ is truly God and Lord Himself – and as such – is truly the second Person of the triune Godhead.
4. The Holy Spirit is God and Lord Himself
To complete the doctrine of the Trinity, we now have to show and prove from Scripture that the Holy Spirit is also God and Lord Himself. The following verses will do this for you. Here they are:
- “Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” (2 Corinthians 3:17)
- But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? … You have not lied to men but to God.” (Acts 5:3-4)
- “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.” (Psalm 139:7)
- “… how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God …” (Hebrews 9:14)
- “… no one know the things of God except the Spirit of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:11)
The very first verse specifically tells us that the Holy Spirit is Lord Himself. The next verse then tells us that the Holy Spirit is God Himself when Peter is telling Ananias that he has lied to God when he had just lied to the Holy Spirit!
These two verses, when you put them right next to one another, are literally telling us that the Holy Spirit is both God and Lord Himself – just like God the Father and Jesus Christ are both God and Lord Themselves.
This now perfectly completes the Trinity – showing that we are now dealing with one God, but one God in three separate and distinct Persons – God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
The third verse above on the Holy Spirit is showing that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, which means that He is everywhere at all times. Only God has this kind of ability. This is just one more piece of Scriptural evidence that the Holy Spirit has all of the divine attributes and abilities of God Himself and as such, has to be God and Lord Himself.
The verse from Hebrews 9:14 says that the Holy Spirit is eternal, which means that He is just like God and Jesus on this issue. He has never been created and has always been and always was. Again, only God can be eternal with no creation or origination point like all humans and angels have.
The last verse, where it says that no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God, is giving us another major clue that the Holy Spirit has to be God Himself in order to have this ability to be able know the things of God the Father.
No human and no angel has the perfect ability to know all of the things of God. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit have this capability within the Godhead itself. The Bible says that all humans will only “know in part” with what knowledge we can acquire from God.
The above 5 verses on the Holy Spirit are definitely showing us that He is also God and Lord Himself, and that He has all of the divine attributes and abilities of God and Jesus in the Godhead itself.
Conclusion
If you truly believe that all of the Bible has come to us from God the Father through the Holy Spirit, then all of the above verses, especially when you group all of them together, are all showing us that our God is one God in three Persons – with God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit being the three distinct Persons of this triune Godhead – and with all three Persons of this Godhead being co-equal and co-eternal.
The first set of verses about God the Father are also telling us that there are no other gods anywhere else – either in heaven above or on this earth – and that all of the other so called gods being worshiped by the other false religious systems of this world are nothing but false idols before God the Father and will eventually be completely done away with.
Once again, God the Father has given us some incredible revelation about Himself, His Son Jesus Christ, and His Holy Spirit with the knowledge that is contained in these specific verses from the Bible.
Sir I now get confused by these verses, when talking about God the Father being coequal and coeternal with the Son. Proverbs 8:22 and John 14:28. Colossians 1:15. Can you explain further?
i feel the church may unnecessrily making it difficult for people to relate to God. I think God is one and single with no equal and partner. the spirit is not a distinct individual but the power of God at work. Jesus in various parts of the Bible make it clear he was not God but a messenger who by the mission he was undertaking was honour with ‘Begotten Son’ and so i find it a bitter disturbing when some parts of the Bible is use to make it look like God left the throne to sacrifice himself on the calvary cross when he could get anyone to do it. or at worst use the word of mouth to clear this sin in the first place since he created without any sort of assistance.
believe that Christianity is the true religion from God for mankind. However wat i cannot understand is why the emphasis on the doctrine of trinity. I believe God as my heavenly Father, I believe Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour and I also believe in the Most Holy Spirit of God. The gospel of Our Lord Jesus the basis of Christianity is not about doctrines like in the old testament. The issue of trinity as Three Gods in One Godhead or vice versa is divisive to the body of christ. As stated by Paul concerning the simplicity in the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ .”But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ” 2nd cor 11vs3. Therefore the trinity emphasis to me is not the foundation of our faith. The foundation of Christianity is 1:faith and believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God from the very beginning through whom we have been redeemed by his cruxifiction and resurrection to be reconciled with Our Father God and 2:believe in The Spirit of God to lead and empower us with the wisdom, counsel, guardiance etc on our daily walk with Christ Jesus in other to be conformed to His express image. We can see the extent to which Paul wrote on the burden of the doctrine of circumsition on the believers. The call and mandate on us by our Lord Jesus is to love God, Honour the Spirit of God, love one another and preach His Gospel, not in debating if Jesus our Lord Himself, God our Father and the Holy spirit are fused into one being and coequal. These are not political offices or as some say the three arms of governnent in our world were we are trying to ascertain who has absolute power. Ours is to ask for grace to fulfil our mandate not delving into matters which does not concern us. Importantly in all His teachings Jesus was always always so reverential in refering to God His/Our Father. He never equated Himself as EQUAL with God even when he could have done same. Jesus was an embodiment of humility and power. That we are to be conformed to be in His express image does not make us equal with Jesus in Being and Eminence even when we have been made joint heirs with Him .I feel the trinity debate distracts from our calling and focus.And lastly the bible makes us understand that we are gods. psalm 82v6 ” I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High”. Jesus confirmation john 10v34-35 “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” exodus 7v1″And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet”. So I believe I am a god. thanks.
I have a question for you Jesus says I dont know when the end will come only my father knows now if that is so how can there be a trinity? If all three are one why would Jesus not know when the end will come?
Dear John,
Jesus while on Earth,he was acting completely Human and he has left aside his glory.See John 17;5 and Philip 2:1-5.But after he ascended to father,he knows everything,i.e;he is back to his glory.
Proof:: You can see different Jesus in Revelation,than the One who spoke while on Earth.jesus while he is on earth ,he never said that he is the first and the last and that he is the beginning and the Ending (rev 22:12,13) and in many more places.
Father only knows means,he is the one who decides and lets the Son know everything what he does and he does everything thru his Son,because Jesus is his very own Arm.the intrinsic Power of God.thats why you see that Father didnt do atleast a single thing without his Son from the beginning.jesus is the exact image of the invisible God.Thats why we say Yahweh is triune and Yahweh God in Flesh.
In your “one big whopper mammoth” verse you state that 1 John 5:7 says…… I believe you are referring to 1 John 5:8,are you not?
If so, what translation of the text are you using? I have diligently searched all the accepted text and to a “T” the reference is to “the Spirit, the water, and the blood.” How do you get Father, Son, and Spirit out of Spirit, water, and blood?
Patrick,
I am using the New King James Version of the Bible and here is the exact verse once again:
“For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7)
Mike
One of the strongest claims in the Bible for God existing in three Persons is the “famous Trinitarian proof” (the Johannine Comma) of 1 John 5:7, which reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Obviously, this verse speaks of three Persons all being God, all three being one. Notice, the Godhead is not three Gods; but three Persons in one Godhead. We have God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ, “the Word” of John 1:1,14), and God the Holy Ghost. Notice how the verse says the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost “are one:” this is reminiscent of what Jesus said in John 10:30, “I and my Father are one.”
Unfortunately, unlike the King James Bible, most modern English Bibles, such as NIV, NASB, NRSV, ESV, omit 1 John 5:7 (this is also true of the depraved Jehovah’s Witness “bible,” which denies the deity of Jesus Christ!). Why? Because their corrupt underlying Greek New Testament Westcott and Hort texts omit this verse. It should be noted that the Old Syriac (A.D. 170) and the Old Latin (A.D. 200) contain 1 John 5:7 and over a dozen church fathers and writers quote it between A.D. 150 and A.D. 550, some predating the corrupt modern Bibles’ manuscripts that omit it. All of 1 John 5:7 belongs in the Bible; it is an important verse! You might need to do some research.
@Colin, thank you Colin…..after researching for several hours regarding information in the Jehovah’s Witness bible for my sister, whom I am trying to save…..you defined everything in your comment that I was looking for!! Thank you again, for taking the time to put this in your comments and I am sure all other references of the Holy Trinity have been changed in the JW bible as well! I love that we find what we need to find with divine influence, as it was meant to be! Have a wonderfully blessed day!!
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There is only ONE GOD; the Creator of the heavens and theearth and of all mankind, manifested to mankind as FATHER (creator) SON, (savior), and HOLY GHOST (indwelling Spirit) (Romans 8:11).
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FATHER
God is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Eternal One, the Creator of all things; and of course, of all men, thus making Him their Father (through creation).
He is the FIRST and the LAST and beside Him there is no other. (Isaiah 44:6)
There was no God formed BEFORE Him, neither shall there be after Him.
The title “Father” used by Jesus, refers to Deity
SON
Jesus is the SON of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3), and the very God Himself according to the Spirit. Jesus is the Christ (Matt 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16); He which was, which is, and which is to come. THE ALMIGHTY (Rev 1:8; Isaiah 9:6).
To this Jesus Himself testified when he said, “He that hath seen me hath seen the father” (John 14:7-11); and “I and the Father are ONE” (John 10:30).
Since it took the shedding of blood for the remission of sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), God as the Father being a Spirit had no blood to shed; so He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5), that He might fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 43:11; “Beside ME there is no SAVIOR”; and caused the angels to sing “For there is born this day in the city of David, a SAVIOR which is CHRIST THE LORD”.
Hebrews 1:3 refers to Jesus as “the express image of [God’s] person”. No wonder Jesus could say “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father” (John 14:9)
The title Son, used by Jesus Christ, and by Deity (such as at the Jordan baptism) refers to humanity.
HOLY GHOST
The HOLY GHOST is not the third person in the Godhead, but rather the manifestation of the Spirit of God (the Creator), and of the resurrected Christ, coming to dwell in the hearts and lives of all men who will be obedient to the gospel, and the Comforter, Sustainer, and the Keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:11).
When we use the title “Holy Ghost” after the Day of Pentecost (or when Jesus used it referring ahead to this era), it is referring to the immanent God, who works in human lives for regeneration BY that spirit since Pentecost.
So there are not three GODS, or persons, but three manifestations of ONE GOD who we know by the revealed face of God, Jesus Christ, God in Flesh.
“These three are one” (1 John 5:7)
i hope you enjoy reading my comment..and may GOD LORD and OUR SAVIOR open the mind of each one…
I hop if anyone has any argument concerning the trinity, thats insane, coz now you are trying argue with God himself. I hope people like Simon Peter,John Patrick, Desmond Bala are not ignorant anymore. Thanks to Mr Bradley and Jinisa for your time we need poeple like you who can rightly share thw word of truth, tell what the word/bible/Jesus teaches not head or intellectual knowledge. Remain blessed..
you lost me when you said “Here is what I believe may be a possible answer to this question”.
Acts 2:38
i dont see where the bible says god is a person
Verse 1John5:7 is found only in Kings James Version. In no other popular Versions, this verse is found. Why? And therefore we cannot make a statement on such verses.
Whenever Jesus mentioned that ‘I and Father are One’ he also mentioned ‘just as the disciples are one'(John 17:11 & 17:22) and also mentions that ‘Father is greater than I'(John 14:28)
From Verses Rev3:14 & Col1:15 it should be clear that Jesus is the first of Gods creation(Dont go with just one translation,especially KJV, but compare with others). Even for an argument consider this: The only begotten son should have a beginning, right? If you argue otherwise, substantiate the same with a clear Bible Verse.
Then it may be asked, what about John1:1. It says ‘The word was with God and the word was god’. So we see ‘a god’ who was with GOD. Here the Word was called God because he was formed in the image of God(Col1:15) and in the form of God(Pil 2:6). All the rest were created through him(Col1:16)
Considering his power to heal-‘and the power of the Lord was with him(Jesus) to heal'(Luk5:17)
Limitation of Son’s Knowledge(Matt24:36)
Subjection of Son to Father in Eternity(1 Cor 15:28)
What about the Prayer Jesus taught us? Was it to Trinity? Therefore worhip & pray just as Jesus Taught Us!
Note this verse:
And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.(John17:3)
So the questions are: Is the doctrine of Trinity an invention of the Devil to deprive mankind from the salvation of God which he set through his son? Are we not insulting and dishonoring the One True God by worshipping him as Trinity? Does not this Doctrine place Chritians even lower than Gentiles? Is this not the reason why the churches are without power which it displayed in the first century? Are not Islam and Jews more justified than us?
Remember that before Jesus became the Son of man thus putting on a fleshsuit, He was the Word of God. Rom 8:29 gives the motive why He became the firstborn. The motive is John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. Before this no one could become a son or daughter of God. This is the motive Jesus became the firstborn because He is the firstborn of many to follow. Also Look a Col1:16 right after verse 15 and compare this again to John1:3. Jesus created all things. So Jesus Himself was not created. Again compare John 1:3 to Genesis and the conclusion is that Jesus is Elohim. God the creator. Also read the article better it will explain it very clearly.
The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself:
1. THE BIBLE says the Father–a single person–is the “only true God.” (John 17:3).
1A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS!
2. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father.” (1 Cor. 8:6)
2A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.”
3. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
3A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…”
4. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31)
4A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity.”
5. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
5A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.”
6. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.”
6A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.”
7. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John 4:23)
7A. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.”
So, do the Bible and the trinity doctrine agree on who God is? Absolutely not! And in the words of the New Catholic Encyclopedia, it says that the trinity “is NOT directly and immediately the Word of God.”
Men make things diffcult, the Holy Spirit is God, He is God in the Father, God in the Son
and God in all born again deciples of Christ—-ONE GOD
Tired of this argument…people are missing the point. We are to TEACH, EVANGELIZE, and DISCIPLE.
Driving Question: What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?
-Christianity has many difficult concepts; one of which being the concept of the Trinity
-The concept of the Trinity is impossible to fully and completely understand
-God is greater than we are and it is expected not to fully understand God
-The Bible teaches that:
a) The Father is God
b) Jesus is God
c) The Holy Spirit is God
d) There is only one God
-Understanding bits and pieces of the Trinity is certainly attainable, but overall, it’s incomprehensible to the human mind.
-This also does not mean that the Trinity is not true or that Scripture does not support this
-The Trinity is one God in three Persons, but not three Gods
-The word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture
-This word is used to describe God: three coexist and co-eternal Persons who make God
-God’s Word on the concept of the Trinity:
a) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1st Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1st Timothy 2:5)
b) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2nd Corinthians 13:14) The Hebrew plural noun “Elohim” is used in Genesis and the plural pronoun for “us” is used in Genesis multiple times and Isaiah. These two terms refer to, in the Hebrew language, more than two. Along with that, it does bring to light the aspect of plurality in God. Elohim also allows for the Trinity.
c) Jesus is speaking while referring to the Father and the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1) While Jesus is being baptized in Matthew (Matthew 3:16-17) God the Holy Spirit descends on God the Son while God the Father states His pleasure in the Son. Examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity are found in (Matthew 28:19 and 2nd Corinthians 13:14)
d) The three Persons are distinguished from each other in many passages. In the Old Testament, two terms, “LORD” differentiates from “Lord”. The LORD has a Son, the Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD”, and from “God”. God the Son differentiates from God the Father and in the New Testament, Jesus talks to the Father about sending a “Helper”, the Spirit. Jesus doesn’t consider himself the Father or the Spirit.
e) Each Person in the Trinity is God. The Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1st Peter 1:2), the Son (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1st John 5:20), and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4; 1st Corinthians 3:16)
f) Subordination exists within the Trinity showing that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This relationship is internal and doesn’t deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity.
G) Each Person of the Trinity have different tasks.
1) The Father is the source or cause of the universe
2) Jesus’ human works
3) The Spirit is a comforter
-The Son is the agent and the Father does these works:
a) The creation and maintenance of the universe (1st Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17)
b) Divine Revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1)
c) Salvation (2nd Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42)
-The Holy Spirit is the means by which the Father does these works:
a) The creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30)
b) Divine Revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2nd Peter 1:21)
c) Salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1st Peter 1:2)
d) Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38)
Attempts to Develop Illustrations of the Trinity
“The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God.”
“The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.
-The doctrine of the Trinity has been a controversial issue throughout Christian history
-The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God
-There is only one God
“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34)
I totally agree with you… our main purpose as Christian is to bring more lost souls to Christ and not to bring further confusion …
God the Father is the first Person of the Trinity, His Son Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity.Could you prove the above with the Word of God.Were in Gods word do Jesus or his Apostles say and I quote,”God the Father is the first Person of the Trinity, His Son Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity”.Jesus said,”John 10:30 I and the Father are one.” Jesus never ever said,I AM THE SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY. Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.Jesus said nothing about being a second person to anyone ,not ever his Apostles.
In Mark 10:8 talks about when a man and woman marries they become one flesh no longer 2 flesh but 1 flesh. Now come on is they really are one? No! They are 2 different people who becomes as one in unity in their love. I guess when people get married they can be call trinity also.Trinity makes God sound like a person with multiply personalities who needs to be on meds. If the bible doesn’t support it I don’t believe it. Have anyone ever thought that maybe just maybe Jesus was an angel that God created along with the thousands of other angels that was already up there. Just like at one point Satan was an angel God created who was like God’s right hand man. Maybe Jesus was close to God too and he took him as his son. Just maybe ( this is just hypothetical) that God gave Jesus an assignment to do as coming to earth to take on the sins of man. God do use others to do his work.
Marriage is a metaphor of Christ and the church. Once you understand the godhead or Trinity you can understand the dynamics or the scope of becoming one flesh. This is also the mystery of the church. The godhead all have 3 distinct characteristics. But they are still one.
Understand what oneness means…..
Identity or harmony with someone else.
It’s the accord, synthesis, agreement, fellowship, solidarity, likemindedness, connection, communion, having the character of a unit. Now do you think its possible to be one. Look at the egg…
The composition of an egg consist of 3 main parts: the shell, the egg white and the yoke. Yet they are one
Let’s look at the woman who is pregnant with a baby. But has the sperm of the father.>>>> 3 in one <<<< . The seed the tree and the fruit. So many things confirm the 3 in one theory in this life. Last but not least..Jesus was called Son not an angel.
The doctrine of The Holy Trinity comes straight out from Catholic Doctrine. It is a false doctrine is pagan in nature. There is NOT one singular verse in the entire two testaments that expressedly mentioned a “Trinity”. It is a Catholic concoction that was handed down by Mother Babylon seated in Rome.
The strongest and most clearest definition of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is the word “GODHEAD “, and this can be found in the following three verses. You cannot find one verse pointing to the word “Trinity” anywhere. Period! Here are the verses below. If you can’t grab this biblical definition, nothing else would remove you from the clutches of Papal Rome.
Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD ; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.
A ceaseless contemplation and false devout worship to The Trinity will catapult you into kafkaesque twilight zone reality!
Jesus is the reincarnation of the God The Word, who is part of Almighty God. So at Jesus death and ascention into heaven as a new spirit being means that Jesus is separate from God. So someone explain how the Trinity concept works ifJesus is not apart of God. He is the God the Word who has come back as the Son of God to sit at God’s right hand separate from God the Almighty. Trinity concept is false for the new testament still valid for the old testament. The family analogy plays well here dont you think.
I’m still confused. If u were to visually imagine this would the holy Spirit look like a person like Jesus did because it refers to him as if a person or is he literally just god himselfs spirit?